Showing posts with label Karen Pryor. Show all posts
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Sunday, November 22, 2009

The Negative Effects of Positive Reinforcement

Here's another article originally posted at my PsychologyToday blog: 

The Negative Effects of Positive Reinforcement
In the first article in this series, Why Behavioral Science Is Losing the Training Wars, I described two examples of learning in dogs that can't be explained through either the pack leader model of training or learning theory, and suggested that the reason the positive training movement hasn't dominated the current training landscape is that behavioral science isn't as scientific as positive (or +R) trainers claim.

In the second, Is Behavioral Science Failing Our Dogs, I described how my two examples can only be explained completely and satisfactorily through a simple energy theory which operates primarily on the principle that all behaviors, instinctive or learned, are designed to reduce a dog's internal tension or stress:

stimulus (energy-in) > increased tension > behavior (energy-out) > release

It's all pure energy.

This idea may seem strange at first, but after all, the universe started out as energy. It then differentiated into subatomic particles, then into atoms of hydrogen, then helium, and up the periodic table. At a certain point some atoms were joined, energetically, into various kinds of molecules. At a point beyond that some of these molecules developed into living organisms, which then evolved and developed into the rich complexity of nature we see all around us (and inside of us) today. From the Big Bang to the dog run, energy continues to manifest itself in everything your dog does, from the way the neurons fire inside his brain to the way his tail wags when you come home from work.

In presenting his energy theory, former police dog trainer and natural philosopher Kevin Behan, writes: "The irreducible essence of anything is always a function of energy. I'm proposing that the nature of dogs is also a function of an energetic makeup rather than a [mental or] psychological one." (Read more here.)

My good friend Alexandra Semyonova -- a highly-respected and well-known dog trainer in the Netherlands, who uses only positive reinforcement techniques -- wrote to me not long ago, saying, "Your energy theory1 is not as far-fetched as people may think. It's just that you have to think interdisciplinarily to get it. You could say that an energy exchange with the environment doesn't only take place through food. As two dogs look at each other [or play together], the electrical patterns in their brains change. This can trigger changes in physical structure. And because those brains are a sort of solidified past, those dogs will be responsive to [the] kind of energy related to that past, and not to some other kind of energy that wasn't present or important at the time2."

To me, that's brilliant. And it's exactly how operant conditioning works (when it does work). The reinforcement for "good" behaviors isn't the result of an external object, event, or marker; it's due to the way a dog's emotional energy flows and finds a satisfying release. The more satisfying the release, the more deeply the behavior it's coupled with is learned3.

Mind you, when I talk about energy I'm not being vague and new-agey. I'm talking about nervous or emotional energy. Nervous energy is essentially electric: the movement of electrons through one neuron into the next. It's choppy; it has an unpleasant stop/start feel. Plus it's hard to control; it operates on its own, almost forcing an animal to obey its (the energy's) own needs. True, nervous energy is necessary for an animal's survival, but it has nothing to do with animal happiness. That's a problem, because both dominance training and operant conditioning rely primarily on survival feelings to get their effects: with a dominance-trained dog it's the need to avoid danger (i.e., a correction), with a positively-reinforced dog it's the need for food (remember, behavioral science got its start with Pavlov's dogs salivating at the sound of a bell, and continued with Skinner's rats pressing levers to obtain food pellets).

Emotional energy, though, is magnetic, flowing, and can be very pleasant. Yes, a dog may occasionally feel stressed if he has more emotional energy than his system can carry, especially if he has no way to resolve or release it. But at least he has more control over what he can do with it. And as long as he has that feeling, he's not distressed or thrown completely off-balance by the weight of excess emotion.

So it seems to me that despite Skinner's brilliance, instinctive biological needs actually interfere with an animal's capacity to learn, while positive emotions are the bedrock of learning. Behavior modification via survival needs is also almost wholly dependent on repetition and artificial reinforcement, not to mention the process of occasionally withholding rewards through a variable reinforcement ratio, which can be very stressful for a dog. Karen Pryor, one of the key figures of the positive training movement, writes in a 2006 article: "Reinforcement may go from predictable to a little unpredictable back to predictable, as you climb, step by step, toward your ultimate goal. Sometimes a novice animal may find this [variability] very disconcerting. If two or three expected reinforcers fail to materialize, the animal may simply give up and quit on you. You can see this clearly on the video of my fish learning to swim through a hoop. When three tries ‘didn't work' the fish not only quit trying, he had an emotional collapse, lying on the bottom of the tank in visible distress4."

Not only is this kind of training not positive, it actually proves that all behavior is learned, not through reinforcers, but through the reduction of internal tension or stress. The more stressed a dog is -- as with a variable ratio of reinforcement -- the deeper a behavior is learned when that stress is resolved. But learning through flow is anything but stressful. It also doesn't require reinforcements because it's an immensely pleasurable experience on its own. Plus it takes place instantly and automatically.

So no matter how well-conditioned our dogs become, no matter how much a part of their brain "salivates" at the sound of a clicker5, or works to gain a reward, on a certain level dogs are not very happy when they're subjected to learning through operant conditioning.
Not happy? Are you serious?

Deadly serious. I mean, think about it. Somewhere in the back of every dog trainer's mind is that image of Pavlov's dogs, salivating at the sound of a bell ringing. That's the apex of conditioning. Yet no one seems to consider how unhappy those dogs must have been. And let's not even get into the stress Skinner's lab rats and pigeons were feeling. So, yes, on a certain level, positive reinforcement is actually an unpleasant experience.

I know that may sound crazy, but the current trend in child-rearing and education tells us that positive reinforcement is undermining learning and happiness in our kids. In her Psychology Today blog, Creating in Flow, social psychologist Susan K. Perry quotes Teresa Amabile of Harvard. "If rewards become prominent in children's minds, they may overwhelm the intrinsic joy of doing something interesting and personally challenging." Kids who are given rewards for reading, for example, tend to choose shorter books in order to get more rewards, while children who are motivated by a love of learning will read anything that catches their fancy, just for the pure joy of it.

Every positive trainer reading this will assert that they see that kind of joy in their dog's eyes when their clients' dogs are learning through +R. I can only say that they must be seeing things differently than I do5. I would also argue that whatever happiness dogs do experience in a clicker class or by working for variable-ratio food rewards, it isn't because of the technique, it's probably because -- just like young children -- dogs are so hungry for learning and are designed to latch onto anything that gives them something to do with their energy -- especially in a social context -- that they're supplying their own emotional flow in order to help them move past the unpleasant aspects of conditioning techniques.

There's no doubt that there has to be a payoff for learning. That's the one simple truth of Skinner's theory. But if the payoff doesn't reduce internal tension, or spark feelings of pure joy, it will automatically create unhappiness and resistance in dogs just as it creates uncertainty and resentment in children.

The positive training movement defined itself from the outset as being a kinder and more scientific alternative to dominance training. And that's true. But dogs aren't lab rats. And there's a "new kid" in town, a method that's even kinder and may be more scientific.
If you've read my first article you'd know that my primary reason for discussing the holes I see in behavioral science is that dogs are trying to tell us something about the nature of consciousness. Lab rats and helper monkeys don't have the emotional capacity dogs do, so using survival feelings to condition them works fine most of the time. But dogs are different. Only canines, homo sapiens (and some cetaceans) have the ability to override instinct in favor of emotion. That's an amazing thing. And it's part of what makes dogs the current "it" species for cognitive scientists7.

We all love our dogs and we all want what's best for them. So I would challenge anyone reading this: if you believe operant conditioning is scientific, then be scientific and test Kevin Behan's energy theory for yourself. Next time I'll give you one simple exercise that will not only enable you to do that, it might just improve the lives of every dog you know.

LCK

Footnotes:

1) It's not my energy theory, though for some reason Semyonova likes to think it is. As this article states, it was developed by Kevin Behan. Oddly enough though, Semyonova and I are the first two people to describe canine social structure as part of a self-emergent system, long before we had a meeting of the minds online. Semyonova did it 2002 in her longitudinal study found at www.nonlineardogs.com, while I did it as a bit of passing dialogue in my first novel, A Nose for Murder, also published in 2002. Meanwhile, Kevin Behan described pack social structure -- particularly while hunting -- as a bottom-up, self-emergent system in his 1992 book, Natural Dog Training, even though he hadn't heard of emergence theory at the time: "Since each individual has different sensitivity to prey making, we observe the emergence of order -- the creation of a group and a pack -- out of what was chaos."

2) It's a physiological fact that certain sensory details associated with past emotional experiences can not only bring memories flooding back, they can often make you feel as if you're actually re-living that past event. One of the strongest of these mnemonic triggers comes through the sense of smell. For example, when your present-day nostrils inhale the same perfume worn by that wonderful girl you were in love with back in college, your olfactory nerves and the part of your hippocampus holding memories of her vibrate at the same frequency once again.

From Discover Magazine: "Quantum physics may explain the mysterious biological process of smell ... says biophysicist Luca Turin, who first published his controversial hypothesis in 1996 while teaching at University College London. Then, as now, the prevailing notion was that the sensation of different smells is triggered when molecules called odorants fit into receptors in our nostrils like three-dimensional puzzle pieces snapping into place. The glitch here, for Turin, was that molecules with similar shapes do not necessarily smell anything like one another. Pinanethiol [C10H18S] has a strong grapefruit odor, for instance, while its near-twin pinanol [C10H18O] smells of pine needles. Smell must be triggered, [Turin] concluded, by some criteria other than an odorant's shape alone.

"What is really happening, Turin posited, is that the approximately 350 types of human smell receptors perform an act of quantum tunneling when a new odorant enters the nostril and reaches the olfactory nerve. After the odorant attaches to one of the nerve's receptors, electrons from that receptor tunnel through the odorant, jiggling it back and forth. In this view, the odorant's unique pattern of vibration is what makes a rose smell rosy and a wet dog smell wet-doggy. It is the frequency of vibration, not the shape, that determines the scent of a molecule."

So Alexandra Semyonova's statement -- "dogs will be responsive to [the] kind of energy related to that past, and not to some other kind of energy that wasn't present or important at the time" -- is right on target.

3) While it's true that learning still takes place in relation to a dog's history (as behavioral scientists tell us), the key element isn't a conscious mental process such as thinking of past experiences and figuring out how to apply them to the present moment, or of learning through consequences or trial-and-error (which would all require that the dog be able to engage in mental time travel and/or propositional thinking). It's simply about the dog vibrating at the same frequency in the here-and-now moment as he did in the past: in other words, learning is a funciton of energy, not a mental thought process.

4) Pryor goes on to say, "Casinos, believe me, use the power of the variable ratio schedule to develop behaviors, such as playing slot machines, that are very resistant to extinction, despite highly variable and unpredictable reinforcement."

So are we training dogs or creating gambling addicts?

5) Clicker training was invented by Keller Breland -- a student and later a colleague of B.F. Skinner -- as a way of marking behaviors while working with hunting dogs at a distance. Breland later taught Karen Pryor how to use clicks and whistles to train dolphins. Here's how Pryor describes the process:

"The trainer clicks at the moment the behavior occurs: the horse raises its hoof, the trainer clicks simultaneously. The dog sits, the trainer clicks. Clicking is like taking a picture of the behavior the trainer wishes to reinforce. After ‘taking the picture,' the trainer gives the animal something it likes, usually a small piece of food. Very soon (sometimes within two or three clicks), an animal will associate the sound of the click with something it likes: the reward. Since it wishes to repeat that pleasurable experience, it will repeat the action it was doing when it heard the click."

So again we're using Pavlov's dogs as a template.

6) Another figurehead of the positive training movement, Jean Donaldson, clicker trained her dog to hump her leg on cue. (I know!) In my experience dogs only exhibit that behavior when they're in a state of frustration, not joy. Yet Donaldson insists that her dog "seems to have fun" doing it. Plus it makes her (Donaldson) laugh. (For the full article, click here.)

Finally (on this point), the fact that +R trainers see joy in the dogs they train doesn't mean much; after all, I'm sure Cesar Millan -- the nemesis of the positive training movement -- sees joy in the eyes of the dogs he works with too.

7) Virginia Morrell writes in Science Magazine: "Dogs are fast becoming the it animal for evolutionary cognition research. Our canine pals, researchers say, are excellent subjects for studying the building blocks underlying mental abilities, particularly those involving social cognition. Their special relationship with humans is also seen as worthy of study in its own right; some researchers see Canis familiaris as a case of convergent evolution with humans because we share some similar behavioral traits. ... Some researchers even think that dogs may teach us more about the evolution ... of our social mind than can our closest kin, the chimpanzee, because Fido is so adept at reading and responding to human communication cues."

Monday, July 14, 2008

Something Doesn't Click

I got an e-mail yesterday from Summer's Mommy that I thought warranted a full post rather than a reply buried in the comments section. It's, once again, about some of the problems with behavioral theory.

Something Doesn't Click
Hi Lee. I didn't want to further hijack your thread on your blog.... :) But I still had some questions if you don't mind...

As I mentioned I have a good friend who is a hardcore +R clicker devotee in the Karen Pryor Academy, so she's access to all the theories etc that we've been discussing.

She talks about how +R clicker training proofs the behavior in the dog. First you teach in a no distraction zone, then as the dog showing 80% compliance (but OH they hate that word!), then you introduce distance and/or distraction, ad nauseum until the behavior is proofed.

In SchutzHund (and elsewhere) they talk about three levels of training:

Right. And here's my description of these three stages.

LEARNING – where a new behavior is introduced, and there are few or no distractions, and everything should be positive (no punishment, no force). I’ve always likened this level to “Here’s a game called sit…”

NARROWING – where nuances to the behavior are taught through not rewarding the dog unless the behavior is done exactly right (which +R trainers call “negative punishment,” meaning that what they do is not “all positive”). Narrowing could be anything from teaching the dog that she has to always sit in front of you, not to one side, that she has to face you directly, or that she has to have both front paws resting on the ground, etc. I call this level “Here are the rules of the game…”

PROOFING – where the dog has to obey no matter what else is going on, squirrels running up his backside, buckets of KFC strewn all around the park, etc. This is where corrections are allowed if necessary. And it’s at this level that the idea of “positive-training-only” tends to break down with some dogs. I call this stage: “The rules always apply.”

The problem I see with dominance trainers is they often start the force and punishment right at the 1st level. That’s not good because you don’t a dog’s first experience with any command to be a negative one. The problem with +R trainers is that their ideology prevents them from being really good at getting results at the 3rd level with some dogs.

Trust me, no +R trainer would’ve ever gotten to the same level you have with Summer…

My problem with that idea is that unless you are training ten 3-min sessions every day of the week, it's hard to get any improvement out of the dog. So I guess it's while they are proofing, +R trainers are inadvertently working in tandem with the dog's natural predatory motor pattern without knowing, as you put in your post?

No. Anytime you get the dog to produce a behavior which relates to a predatory motor pattern, or "modal-action pattern," it has its genesis in the hunting behaviors of wild wolves, you’re stimulating the prey drive, whether you’re aware of it or not. So it doesn’t matter if you’re at the final stage of proofing the stay, or teaching it right out of the box, it’s always related to the “eye-stalk” behavior.

Also there’s a bit of folklore in dog training circles that “active” behaviors like “heel” and coming when called can be taught with toys, while the dog is energized, but that “passive” behaviors like “down” and “stay” are better learned through food rewards, while the dog is calm. But as you probably know, it’s actually much easier for a dog to learn the “down,” and particularly the “stay,” when she’s been energized before the training starts.

It SOUNDS like a nice way of training, but do you think it's possible to also inadvertently dampen drive if say, your clicker timing sucks? 

Yes, but it’s not just the timing of the clicker that’s the problem. Remember, Karen Pryor doesn’t really know anything about dogs. She was a dolphin trainer, one who believes that all learning for all species is basically the same process. So she sees a ball throw or game of tug as no different, essentially, from a food reward; it’s just another form of positive reinforcement. But if dogs learn best through reduction of internal tension related to an unexpressed prey drive, then the +R model falls apart. Yes, being given an opportunity to chase and bite can be viewed as a positive reinforcement, but it’s not the same kind of reinforcement as a food reward.

However, what the clicker does well, at least in dog training, is it provides a means for isolating a specific moment in time when the dog does something right. And yes, that takes perfect timing, and yes some dogs can be driven nuts if the timing is not perfect. (There are seminars now on how to avoid hyper-anxiety in clicker-trained dogs.) And while it’s great for teaching dogs to do tricks, that’s not what dog training is really about. At least I don’t think so.

Another reason I dislike the clicker is that the “learning” happens too quickly. It doesn’t allow the dog to process the information through his instincts and emotions. It’s all run on nervous, not emotional, energy. The reason some dogs do well with it is that they have a more flexible emotional-response system, one that can accommodate any kind of training. But clicker training kind of forces the dog to do too much of the emotional work on his own.

Here’s what Bob Bailey has to say on the subject: 

I am not a clicker trainer. I have used a clicker, and quite successfully. Keller and Marian Breland were using clickers in 1943. In the modern use of the name clicker trainer, punishment, especially positive punishment, is "disallowed." I allow myself to use punishment if I believe it is necessary to accomplish the task and if the task merits the use of punishment.

I am not a fan of the "ever-clicking" approach to training. The proper application of the clicker is that akin to using a scalpel to make fine cuts. However, the increasing use of reinforcement to get behavior is good, so I guess the prevalence of sloppy "clicking" is a price paid for trainers thinking more about reinforcement rather than punishment. Most pet owners seldom have need for a clicker, in my opinion; a clicker can easily get in the way of getting good behavior.

Animal training, and animal behavior, has consumed a large part of my life. Clicker training has had little impact on what I did, or what I will do. [And it] has not taught me a whole bunch, other than that people can get wrapped up in fads and catch phrases. 

I agree with Bailey that the +R movement is good, in that it has reduced the amount of fear, force, and punishment commonly used in dog training. But there’s also been a backlash, one that Angela mentioned in the comments section of my last post: many dog owners are finding out that +R doesn’t work very well with their dogs.

“Or you practice things like avoidance JUST as a dog is displaying a high drive behavior that's inappropriate (like barking at rollerbladers), and because they're practicing avoidance, they're not providing appropriate drive release at the crucial moment?”

Of course they’re not providing drive release at critical moments, at least not intentionally. That’s because their focus is on using positive reinforcement. And “positive” in the Skinnerian argot doesn’t mean that “something good” reinforces the behavior, it simply means that something is added, like food or praise, not subtracted, like internal tension or blocked drive, etc., to reinforce the behavior. (It’s hard to remember this so just try to remember that “positive punishment“ means that pain or fear is “added” to achieve learning; there’s nothing positive/good about punishment)


And since +R trainers are so focused on the idea that food and clickers are not only “positive” but “good,” that it’s hard for them to see that reducing a dog’s internal tension by providing appropriate drive release (as you put it) - which is technically a form of negative reinforcement - is the real agent of learning. And anytime you mention negative reinforcement to these people their minds automatically go to the ear-pinch as a means of teaching a dog to drop what he’s retrieved. (I think there’s a lot of Orwellian brainwashing going on +R circles.)

I hope you don't me asking these to you. I am still trying to improve as a trainer...

As you can see, I don’t mind. These are important questions.

BTW, I've taken a few steps back and asking Summer for more HUPS on walks, whenever I see her ramp up her energy outwards, and it's helping her rebalance much quicker. Yesterday she freaked at a pittie across the street who went apeshit on her, I said, NO NOT YOUR JOB, and asked for a HUP instead, and even though she delivered the hup visibly (and audibly!) distressed, right after the HUP the distressed energy diffused and she was back to walking normally. The raised scruff was gone, no more whining. Amazing how that works... A block later when we approached a leashed dog walking towards us, I just said quietly, Not Your Job, and she snapped her head to look at me in a tight formal heeling pattern.

That’s great. And I’m not sure how your friend at the Karen Pryor Academy would interpret that. She’d probably say that Summer is making a positive mental association with the pit bull because of the rewarding feeling she gets from jumping up on you. (?)

Can't wait to show you her heeling - she's doing amazingly well. I don't think she'll ever have the precision of a SCH 3 titled dog, but I really think we will nail the CD Novice Title, and in the fall when it cools down, I'm going to be teaching her the Broad Jump. We started some preliminary tracking exercises too. I never imagined I would bring her to this level... Remember how spazzy she was?? She does a kick ass recall to Front and Finish too.

From what I hear she’s the brightest doggie star in Fort Greene Park!

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